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ijames
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 Posted - 20/09/2005 : 22:19:48
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I have inherited a Gull dinghy which requires a number of parts to restore it. I do not know what model of Gull it is. It may be an older model because the stowage compartment at the FRD end is enclosed and accessible via two circular hatches about 200mm in diameter. The dimensions match that of a modern Gull dinghy but the FRD end differs.
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BHEART
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Posted - 25/09/2005 : 18:43:40
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I have recently bought an old Gull too. I have posted on CVRDA and Dinghy sailing forum for info. The association seems to have moved, if you have any luck let me know. Info is difficult to obtain, but I have a single sheet of the original plans, plus some articles from the DCA which a very kind Gull owner sent me. I can send copies if you like? It shows the gaff rig set up, although mine is bermuda rigged.I also need parts, such as aft mast stay support, but I can measure or photo anything for you.
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TAlmond
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/10/2005 : 21:04:45
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Originally posted by BHEART
I have recently bought an old Gull too. I have posted on CVRDA and Dinghy sailing forum for info. The association seems to have moved, if you have any luck let me know. Info is difficult to obtain, but I have a single sheet of the original plans, plus some articles from the DCA which a very kind Gull owner sent me. I can send copies if you like? It shows the gaff rig set up, although mine is bermuda rigged.I also need parts, such as aft mast stay support, but I can measure or photo anything for you.
Best regards.
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TAlmond
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/10/2005 : 21:12:12
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Sorry about earlier message, clicked the wrong button !
I bought an old Wooden Gull this month, No. 177.
It will be a while until I get it sailing as I have a bit of work to do first, but I would like to know when this boat may have been built and if there is a register of sail numbers against Buid dates. Some things I have read on websites suggest it might be late '50's. Also if there is a 'Classic Gull' get-together . All I can find is to do with the Spirit Gull, not the same thing at all ! |
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 22:59:27
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| I am a keen Gull sailor having owned and sailed no. 361 for many years. The old wooden Gulls need a little maintenance (though less than might be feared) and have lots of character, are very pretty, very seaworthy, very usable and easy to trail, launch and recover. The new GRP Gull Spirit uses the same hull form but is a little heavier, and has much more modern fittings (and a price tag to match). The Gull is a better boat than the Mirror or the Heron (same size) in terms of sailing ability. It deserves to be more popular but was not marketed well. No. 177 was probably built around 1957-8 (361 was built in 1960). The Class Association runs two national events per year but we hope to add more, especially cruising. Wooden boats compete on reasonably equal terms with GRP boats; the best sailors regularly win the events, not the best boats. We are keen to encourage more Gulls to sail together for racing and cruising. Contact me for more details of the Association, events, rigging, tuning and I will do my best to help. |
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KEVIN ROBINSON
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 18:47:38
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Very interested in all your coments about Wooden Gulls,
I am considering the purchase of one from boatsandoutboards.co.uk ref No. F79409 - sail No. 1065.
Looks in good condition, but unable to ascertain the age of the boat. Can any one advise on the following:
How safe is the boat say with 1 adault + 2 kids, for general sailing/rowing/ possible fishing off, within costal shoreline, attaching an outboard say something in the region of 2-5hp,
Would the boat take 1 adault + 2 kids safely.
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 22:03:29
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Sail no. 1065 probably dates from mid 1960s. Looks in nice condition on the photograph. The Snipe trailer is a valuable addition. In answer to your specific question, the Gull is more than capable of carrying one adult and two children. In moderate weather, two adults and two children are possible; the Mk I wooden Gull's cockpit is enormous for an 11 foot boat. The mast has two positions, and in the forward position use it as a una-rig with mainsail only - together with the high boom this gives a huge amount of room. But for sailing performance use as a sloop with the jib. Rowing is fine; with two children have the adult rowing, one child on the tiller and another in the bow (forward thwart) for best balance. There's a mahogany outboard pad on the transom - use a 2hp motor if singlehanded; anything heavier needs someone in the bow to balance the weight more comfortable. I used a 2hp Suzuki successfully, but now use a Minn Kota electric motor on my Gull Mk I for river work. As for fishing, a Mk III (GRP) Gull was a registered member of the commercial fishing fleet in Falmouth until a few years ago! Good luck with the purchase; you won't be disappointed. If I had room for two boats I would buy 1065 myself.
We are hoping to launch a new website www.gulldinghy.org.uk in a few days' time. |
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 06/11/2005 : 22:08:20
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| I forgot to add in my reply to Kevin Robinson that from the point of view of seaworthiness, the boat's hull form as well as its design history show clearly that it is the little sister of the Wayfarer (another Ian Proctor classic) of which the most famous example, Frank Dye's "Wanderer", sailed to Norway, and even Iceland via the Faroes. Crab Searle sailed solo round the Isle of Wight in a wooden Mk I Gull in a little over a day's sailing. |
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tony
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/11/2005 : 09:41:26
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Reply to H M Evans I have information that Gull 1065 was owned By J R Ludlow of High Wycombe in 1968.
I have two gulls, one since 1968 and we sail regularly at White Rose Ripon and at sea in S W Scotland, but have covered most of the Scottish west coast from the Clyde to the Minch over the years in a Gull.
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 12/11/2005 : 17:47:57
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| Just to let anyone who's interested know that the Gull Dinghy website is now up and running. Please visit www.gulldinghy.org.uk to check it out. |
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Ann
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Posted - 04/12/2005 : 22:31:06
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Hi, I have just bought a gull spirit (no. 2603) second hand and have some rigging questions as unfortunately I don't have a hand book.
Should the jib be threaded through the little pulley wheel before it meets the mast - older members at my club think the little pulley is just for the spinnaker.
When I bought the boat the mast was leaning forward, this is obviously wrong but does anyone have any measurements for the length of the shrouds to get the mast to the correct angle.
Third question is where can I buy a handbook?
Thanks a lot and I am so pleased to see the new website - well done
Ann
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 09/12/2005 : 18:08:17
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Hello Ann, Welcome to Gull sailing. I'm forwarding your detailed query to Chris Abela (Gull website) as he has a Spirit and knows the answers (I have an old gunter rigger). But (assuming you have the current Proctor mast with internal halyards) your club colleagues are quite right - the little pulley is for the spinnaker and the jib halyard doesn't go through it.
Mast rake should be backwards not forwards as you say, but you'll find that the right position for you is affected by many things, including crew weight, whether sailing one or two aboard, how flat or full your sails are, and how much weather helm ("pull" on the tiller when sailing upright to windward) is comfortable for you. (The more the mast is raked back, the heavier the helm, generally speaking.) In the absence of a handbook I'd start by aiming to have the top of the mast about 6 inches behind the heel with the boat level fore-and-aft (use a weight tied to the main halyard to check); simply adjust the shrouds by whatever's necessary to produce that degree of rake with a reasonably tight forestay.
Chris may have up-to-date measurements to take out the guesswork, but this gives you only a starting position; fine-tuning will usually improve things after that.
The Gull's such a forgiving boat anyway that you can't go far wrong. Happy sailing! |
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/12/2005 : 21:42:54
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Hi Ann, glad you liked the site (still not finished!)
email me at chrisabela@hotmail.co.uk with your details and I'll send you a photocopied version of the handbook. Also, if you get your mast dead vertical then take it back a notch or two until you start to notice a slight bend near the top of the mast then you should find that the boat points to windward quite well.
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Edited by - chrisabela on 22/12/2005 18:26:41 |
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RobM
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/12/2005 : 09:48:30
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Hi all,
I have been offered a Gull, and found the site thanks to Google.
I've no real experience with dinghies but it seems to be a safe little boat. Thanks for the information on the site and no doubt I'll be back for advice during the project - she's been out of the water for 10 years so needs a little work.
Does anyone have advice for renovating a wooden hull please?
Have fun,
Rob, Northampton |
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/01/2006 : 22:20:17
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| Good luck Rob. The site still needs a lot of work but thanks to all the helpfull Gull sailors who have sent me pics and articles it should be great when I get round to sorting it all out. |
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cliff
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/01/2006 : 15:59:46
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Just back from the boat show. Had a good look at the new Gull Calypso & ordered one. Not an impulse purchase of course as we had been looking for a good, small all-rounder for some time before we decided to sell our beloved Magno. The new model looks really good, though I must admit that she loses a little of her looks with the departure of the last of her timber. But that's a matter of taste I suppose & in the end cost won out over aesthetics. (the old Spirit is still available but costs a couple of hundred more).
Now all we have to do is find her a name. So far it seems to be 'Gulliver' but any suggestion would be welcome. What's yours called?
Does anyone know exactly how old the Gull design is? I've heard both 1956 and 1957.
Regards,
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