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Roger
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 Posted - 23/04/2006 : 11:31:20
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Very surprised to hear that the self bailer fitted to new Gull Calypso is 'useless' - I have been considering fitting one to my old grp Gull Mk1 (No 1464) but perhaps I should forget about it, after all it has survived OK without one for 30+ years!! Comments anyone?
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2006 : 20:32:11
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The bailing system on the Calypso consists of a channel and a system of bungs built in to the skeg. I believe that because the Calypso is double skinned it can't be fitted with a normal self bailer. You can fit them to wooden, mark III and Gull Spirits and they should work well. I have two on my Spirit and I find that they work well if I am travelling at speed. Try and get a look at another Gull for positioning before fitting them to your own boat.
Chris.
www.gulldinghy.org.uk
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2006 : 20:33:33
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Roger
21 Posts |
Posted - 24/04/2006 : 20:52:08
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Many thanks - not having seen a Calypso I assumed that the bailer was the usual Elvstrom type or a derivative. Lesson: never assume anything! My Gull is a fibreglass double chine type and I have been told that it is a Mark 1. The obvious snag to fitting an Elvstrom bailer is that it would have to be fitted through one of the flat strengthening ribs moulded into the hull that I suspect contain a strip of marine ply. Is this advisable?
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 25/04/2006 : 18:55:24
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This is probably correct but I'm sure it can be done. However, my experience with marine ply that is encapsulated in GRP is to leave it alone if you can. I had to have the marine ply blocks, where the chainplates are fitted, removed and replaced with plastic blocks before it was a year old as water got in and caused damage. If you can manage without bailers then it's probably best to do so or just make sure that it is a neat and well sealed job.
Good luck.
www.gulldinghy.org.uk
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Roger
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Posted - 25/04/2006 : 19:23:14
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| Many thanks for your comments Chris, much appreciated and I'll give the matter some thought. I am a novice and am more interested in cruising than racing so I may well just stick with the 'dustpan' bailer and a sponge! Roger |
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 26/04/2006 : 18:07:20
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I do find them quite useful for cruising. They don't leave the bildges dry but they do keep the water to a minimum. In big waves you will get a lot of spray over the fordeck and into the cockpit but for the bailers to be effective you have to be moving at speed. You feet will never be dry either way!
Sorry to add to your dilema.
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Edited by - chrisabela on 26/04/2006 18:09:01 |
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cliff
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/04/2006 : 22:52:06
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Originally posted by memor
Thanks Tony. Centreboard very tight so unloosened it Unfortunately no difference but have started to raise it a little and it has helped.
It new boat so shouldn't have nicks in it.
NEXT QUESTION.
Self bailer is useless. Spoke to Porters but they not have answer.
Bung hole is size of ten pence piece.
They say "if you full of water and want to get rid of it undo bung and as long as you are travelling water will dissapear down bunghole."
COBBERLERS
I try this, as soon as I undo bung it look like I have water feature Charlie Dimmock would be proud of.
I looking for proper self bailer I can fit but not found anything (yet)anyone know of device I can fit to Dinghy that will do the job ??
bestest regards
Memor
Hi Memor,
good to hear from someone who actually owns a new Calypso, but how did you manage to get one so quick? We ordered ours (with a hefty deposit!) at the boat show in January for collection in 'about 6 weeks'. We're still waiting. Last promise was for the week after Easter! Meanwhile, another season is slipping by.
Good sailing,
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memor
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2006 : 15:41:31
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It was exhibition boat.
It was delivered 1st week in Feb. Porters borrowed it off me for Ally Pally show.
They not have other Calypsos in one piece as everyone who ordered one didn't want delivery till weather got warmer
Until the beginning of April mine was the only one sailing. (Fitted with iceberg breaker)
Regards Memor
bestest regards
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memor
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/04/2006 : 18:56:14
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crisabella. I find that replacement mop heads (That super spongex material) is ideal for soaking up water in bottom of boat.
Every now and then give big squeeze over the side (not sea sickness)
bestest regards
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chrisabela
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2006 : 15:11:34
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Who's going to the Nationals or the Norfolk cruise? I'm hoping to make it to both.
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janeysailor
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2006 : 12:46:43
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[quote]Originally posted by memor
Been trying out new Gull Calypso.Brilliant..... but
tacking there was funny noise thought it was forestays or shrouds but it is centreboard oscilating. Anyone know how I can stop this ?
It sound like an engine
My old MK11 gul does exactly the same!! Never mknown what it was I just learn to live with it.
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janeysailor
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 12:50:50
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[quote]Originally posted by Roger
Very surprised to hear that the self bailer fitted to new Gull Calypso is 'useless' - I have been considering fitting one to my old grp Gull Mk1 (No 1464) but perhaps I should forget about it, after all it has survived OK without one for 30+ years!! Comments anyone?
I have never had a self bailer in my gull. I don't fancy hacking holes in the floor!!! The only means of exit for any water is either through the BIG hole in the top, or through a tinly little hole just at the top of the rear boyancy tank. I use a bucket!! But (touch wood) I've never actually capsised her as yet. |
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h.m.evans
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 23:15:06
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I would strongly recommend fitting an Elvstrom-type suction bailer (preferably two, one each side of the rear of the centreboard case) in a Gull. I have found them invaluable, both when racing (sailing dry means sailing fast) and cruising singlehanded (the rough conditions that cause swamping or capsize are exactly the conditions when you need to be able to look after the boat, and have SOMETHING ELSE look after the bailing!). I once sailed a Mk III (round bilge fibreglass) Gull from totally swamped to totally dry in about four minutes of hard reaching back and forth in a stiff breeze (which had caused the rather embarrassing capsize in the first place) and have often used the bailers to get rid of accumulated spray water that was making rolling in heavy conditions much worse than it need by. Why do bigger boats have self bailers? For exactly the same reasons small boats do - because they are a necessary safety feature. When you don't need them, keep them shut - and then you don't have a hole in your boat...
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Originally posted by janeysailor
[quote]Originally posted by Roger
Very surprised to hear that the self bailer fitted to new Gull Calypso is 'useless' - I have been considering fitting one to my old grp Gull Mk1 (No 1464) but perhaps I should forget about it, after all it has survived OK without one for 30+ years!! Comments anyone?
I have never had a self bailer in my gull. I don't fancy hacking holes in the floor!!! The only means of exit for any water is either through the BIG hole in the top, or through a tinly little hole just at the top of the rear boyancy tank. I use a bucket!! But (touch wood) I've never actually capsised her as yet.
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Mel Shore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/05/2006 : 16:49:47
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Originally posted by chrisabela
Hi Ann, glad you liked the site (still not finished!)
email me at chrisabela@hotmail.co.uk with your details and I'll send you a photocopied version of the handbook. Also, if you get your mast dead vertical then take it back a notch or two until you start to notice a slight bend near the top of the mast then you should find that the boat points to windward quite well.
www.gulldinghy.org.uk
I have Spirit 2672 built by Anglo Marine as I suspect Ann's boat was.
The little pulley at the top of the forestay is for the jib halyard and is to prevent the jib furling gear hitting the forestay. It also prevents the furled sail wrapping around the stay.
Above the jib halyard pulley inset into the mast is another inset pulley for the spinnaker halyard. My mast was supplied with red twine threaded through this higher pulley to the starboard side of the mast foot. Neville Towler told me what it was for and said take it out if I wasn't going to fly a kite.
Hope I haven't 'told granny how to suck eggs' as I have only just found this site. |
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